I wonder if the lifelong fans of Bournemouth or Brentford feel that way. Notwithstanding their relegation to League 1 would Wigan fans trade their memories of Premier League football and beating Manchester City to win the FA Cup Final for our perennial dog fights? Do Swansea City fans resent their status, and would gladly give up their memories of days out at Anfield and Old Trafford and winning the League Cup in exchange for renting their home at St Helen's ground Swansea?Amberexile wrote: May 18th, 2023, 10:44 amThe level of investment needed for us to reach the Premier League would kill the club as I know it. So that's a no from me.Bonson&Hunt wrote: May 18th, 2023, 10:08 am Why did I already know your reply would be a putdown. Yes get an investor!
Well there are a number of issues you potentially raise there.G Guest wrote: May 18th, 2023, 11:57 am Paradoxically, surviving in the PL once we get there might not be the main problem because it is awash with money and clubs don't really need spectators to survive. But getting there with a stadium with only 5,000 or so seats would be nigh on impossible without a mega rich backer.
Stan A. Einstein wrote: May 18th, 2023, 1:23 pmWell there are a number of issues you potentially raise there.G Guest wrote: May 18th, 2023, 11:57 am Paradoxically, surviving in the PL once we get there might not be the main problem because it is awash with money and clubs don't really need spectators to survive. But getting there with a stadium with only 5,000 or so seats would be nigh on impossible without a mega rich backer.
First of all is that as Jock Stein said, without fans professional football is nothing. And as you rightly observe we have to get there in any event. And as you will be aware Arsenal, Manchester City, Brentford etc have entirely new stadia. Newcastle, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Wolves in fact just about everyone has spent fortunes renovating their grounds. These days a fit for purpose stadium is a necessity.
You say that the Premier League is awash with money and that surviving is not predicated on the number of supporters. I think that is correct in the short term, but as I have argued if your only ambition is survival one day you will fail. Indeed looking at the size of Newport, I don't believe that we can ever aspire to the heights of a Liverpool or Manchester United. What we can aspire to, should aspire to, is playing at the highest level possible.
Which are the biggest cities in England.? London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool. How many Premier League winners have come from conurbations other than these. Forget what your wives and girlfriends tell you, size matters.
But Championship level. Ipswich, Preston, Swansea, et al are all about the same size as Newport. My view is we should aim to become a Championship team. Accept in bad times we may be League 1. Aspire in good times to make the top table.
Burnley is smaller than Newport. If they can do it, so can we.
On the contrary.landinho wrote: May 18th, 2023, 10:26 pm Obviously not really relevant for this thread but fascinating to watch 30k people watching Sheff Weds turn around a 4 goal deficit at the death.
Given Sheff Utd also get a crowd of 30k, the city of Sheffield gets almost 1 in 10 people in the city into their football grounds each weekend.
Obviously no point making the comparison but we’d be 1 in 39. Bristol sides at 1 in 17. Cardiff 1 in 19. Swansea 1 in 14.
I don’t think it’s a worthwhile comparison. Fun, yes. But of course 1 in 9 people in Manchester go to watch Prem Football because they’re the best sides in England. And the inverse applies to us.Stan A. Einstein wrote: May 18th, 2023, 10:35 pmOn the contrary.landinho wrote: May 18th, 2023, 10:26 pm Obviously not really relevant for this thread but fascinating to watch 30k people watching Sheff Weds turn around a 4 goal deficit at the death.
Given Sheff Utd also get a crowd of 30k, the city of Sheffield gets almost 1 in 10 people in the city into their football grounds each weekend.
Obviously no point making the comparison but we’d be 1 in 39. Bristol sides at 1 in 17. Cardiff 1 in 19. Swansea 1 in 14.
And why is the first question we need to ask. And the second question needs to be how we put that right.
Sheffield is a football city, always has been. It is also a great place to live, especially tonightlandinho wrote: May 18th, 2023, 10:26 pm Obviously not really relevant for this thread but fascinating to watch 30k people watching Sheff Weds turn around a 4 goal deficit at the death.
Given Sheff Utd also get a crowd of 30k, the city of Sheffield gets almost 1 in 10 people in the city into their football grounds each weekend.
Obviously no point making the comparison but we’d be 1 in 39. Bristol sides at 1 in 17. Cardiff 1 in 19. Swansea 1 in 14.
Presumably not if we met a friendly Sheikh whose tent was black and amber and who had a camel he named Spytty!Amberexile wrote: May 18th, 2023, 10:44 amThe level of investment needed for us to reach the Premier League would kill the club as I know it. So that's a no from me.Bonson&Hunt wrote: May 18th, 2023, 10:08 am Why did I already know your reply would be a putdown
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