Again, why is sliding into the conference a problem in relation to Rodney Parade? we have played there before in the conference rather successfully, and made the ground viable. I'm not arguing that we should try to be in the Conference, just why is it a problem?pembsexile wrote: May 8th, 2022, 1:00 pmIt appears that you like to twist what I actually say to suit your own narrative. That is your prerogative. Read again what I have said on this thread and there is no way that I have told you that you are not allowed to ask anything. You have completely made this up. I, or anyone else have no right to say to anyone that they are not allowed to ask a question. What I have done is suggest an alternative question. People do it all the time. That is completely different to what you suggest.Bangitintrnet wrote: May 8th, 2022, 12:07 pmQuote from Stan....pembsexile wrote: May 7th, 2022, 6:06 pmWhat on earth do you mean by ‘Precisely. Exactly’? My previous comment could hardly be construed to mean that I was diverting attention from a serious issue could it? I just wish some people on here (not just you) would refer to what people actually say, instead of what they think people say. Furthermore, other people, including you used the word cement in their post before I did. Cementing our position as the premier sporting club in Newport is a sound proposition. How do we do that is the question.Bangitintrnet wrote: May 7th, 2022, 10:48 amExactly, precisely.pembsexile wrote: May 7th, 2022, 10:11 amYet another straw man argument.Bangitintrnet wrote: May 7th, 2022, 9:46 am Oh dear oh dear oh dear
We have an abulance chaser looking for a disaster to hang his big project on, and his right hand man simply diverting attention. Pathetic.
Diverting attention? Have a look at my post on this thread at 9.43am yesterday where I responded to you.
Has it never a occurred to you that the County are in the best situation that they could be. I. E. Having a landlord that requires them in order to make the ground viable? Just think about that..........
Now I don't know if the ground is viable with just the County as the sole user, but I know for sure that it isn't viable without them.
Now Consider Coventry City, owned Highfield Road. Wanted a bigger ground and the Council wanted them to move, hence the Rioch. Attendence fell to the point where the stadium wasn't viable for them and the owners (a charitable trust and the local council) and they had to move away until it became viable again.
Now consider Newport Rugby, no longer viable to play at RP moved away, doing better.
Also consider Bristol City and the Bristol Bears that play there. They lost the memorial ground to Bristol Rovers, who has done better?
You are falling into Stans trap of believing that because the ownership of RP is with the WRU, that they wish to do us harm, and that is the basis of the discussion. It simply isn't an argument that has any merit.
Why don't you consider the evidence, the WRU are just a landlord looking after something that needs to be viable.
I have studied planning in Wales, which is important, because planning is devolved, and I know what is required even to get to outline planning consent. The Council moved various sports to Spytty, but always provided an alternative
Facility. So to build on RP the first thing they would require is where is the alternative facility being constructed and detail benifit, and the need of the realeasd site. Road network and access statements. A community statement, an environmental impact assessment, etc, etc.
Another thing to consider is that the WRU pay 80% of each of the Regions Welsh players wages. So the income that the Regions receive from bums on seats is far less.
The bottom line is this. We don't require cement, when what we are bringing to the table makes the venue viable.
I think I made it quite clear in my post yesterday that I am certainly not a planning expert but I do have opinions and ideas. Nothing more, nothing less. Certainly no diversionary tactics from me.
Morning Colin,
My plan is really simple.
First step is that we acknowledge the problem.
Second step is that we politely explain to those who wish to bury their heads in the sand, that that is no longer an option.
Third step is that we speak to all the clubs who have developed their own stadiums and ask them how they managed to do it. What worked and as importantly what didn't.
Step four is to engage with the fan base and start to work towards our aim, together.
Step five is we listen to everyone who wants to help.
Step 6. We ignore those who are so narrow minded that they believe nothing can be done
Now that sets the tone of there is a problem, and the solution to solving it, is speaking to clubs about how to develop their own stadium, nothing else is to be considered.
Torquay Exile asks a question of Stan, and you respond on his behalf. So Torquay Exile asks if you are Stan? and gets abused. That's diversion.
Then I am not allowed by you to ask the question, why is cementing a relationship at Rodney Parade a unique problem to County when ground shares happen regularly all around the Country? You refuse to answer, by basically telling me I am not allowed to ask that, as the question should be how can WE do so? Ignoring the point that I am making, that we have already. Then you complain about my use of the word Cement. Again this is just diversion.
If you and Stan spent some time researching what clubs are doing now, they are sharing. Why are they doing that, and ignoring the holy grail of cementing sporting supremacy?
Furthermore, I have not complained about your use of the word cement. In the context it is being used, it is a good word. I even used it myself after other people had. I am merely pointing out that it had been used by others. You jump on it and say it is a diversion tactic. Absolute nonsense.
The start of this thread made the point that the WRU may be looking to cut the number of Welsh clubs to three from four. I wonder who the favourite for revamping/reorganising/culling are? That concerns me.
So that people understand my view and It doesn’t get twisted, here it is:
We have been fortunate since 2012 to have an agreement with Dragons, then WRU to use RP (Tfft). I am glad we moved there. I was there yesterday along with over 5300 others supporting our team. I used to even go over to see the Dragons some years ago but don’t anymore. They are on a bad (seemingly inescapable) slide unfortunately. In the context of ground sharing our fortunes are inextricably linked to them. There is no escaping that. We are the prime tenant at the moment and probably contribute more money than the Dragons. What happens if we slide into the Conference?
What about the future?
As far as priorities go, our number one priority next season should be cementing our position as Newport’s premier sporting club by trying to ensure that we carry on with L2 survival. That is paramount. Whilst important, anything else is secondary.
My argument about cementing our position as Newport premier sporting club is what difference does it make?
If as you say our relationship at Rodney Parade concerns you, what do you have against researching why ground shares happen regularly all around the Country?
Don't you want to know the answer?