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136The problem is that he can put a team together but he can't risk operating, and putting the then vulnerable patient into a covid ICU dominated environment. So he differs the surgery and it becomes inoperable.
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137I agree that there is a risk there, but again to what extent if the patient is likely to be vaccinated, the theatre team is likely to be vaccinated, the theatres themselves operate in positive air pressure with HEPA extraction environments and staff wear appropriately rated PPE.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 9:02 am The problem is that he can put a team together but he can't risk operating, and putting the then vulnerable patient into a covid ICU dominated environment. So he differs the surgery and it becomes inoperable.
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138When I retired in June, I took to cycling to a pub about 3 miles from where I live. Amongst the locals and tradesmen/professionals that I regularly chatted with is a bloke called Darren. Now it was only in late September after going to the pub 4 times a week, did someone inform me that Darren had terminal cancer.
Basically his story is this:
Last year at the height of Covid, his wife who is nurse, noticed that he wasn't well. It wasn't covid, but concerned she discussed his symptoms with a doctor at the hospital that she works at. That lead to a scan that confirmed he had a brain tumor. Now because of Covid, he kept getting his operation to remove the tumor postponed. Months later he is now in a position where it is inoperable and thus terminal.
Darren is 41, was a successful builder, and although unable to work, does enjoy life. You would not know physically, or to talk to him, that he was in the position that he is, other than he now wants to arrange his own wake at the pub, in order that he can enjoy it with everyone else, before he passes on.
The Welsh Government have tried to slow down the infections because of the impact that it has on hospitals.
They have purchased equipment - to allow patients who have recovered - to be able to go home.
Darren has had 4 jabs and a booster jab. He is now part of the first trial of anticovid tablets being used in the UK. This is also funded by the £120 million that the Welsh Government is using as a three pronged approach to the problem.
Basically his story is this:
Last year at the height of Covid, his wife who is nurse, noticed that he wasn't well. It wasn't covid, but concerned she discussed his symptoms with a doctor at the hospital that she works at. That lead to a scan that confirmed he had a brain tumor. Now because of Covid, he kept getting his operation to remove the tumor postponed. Months later he is now in a position where it is inoperable and thus terminal.
Darren is 41, was a successful builder, and although unable to work, does enjoy life. You would not know physically, or to talk to him, that he was in the position that he is, other than he now wants to arrange his own wake at the pub, in order that he can enjoy it with everyone else, before he passes on.
The Welsh Government have tried to slow down the infections because of the impact that it has on hospitals.
They have purchased equipment - to allow patients who have recovered - to be able to go home.
Darren has had 4 jabs and a booster jab. He is now part of the first trial of anticovid tablets being used in the UK. This is also funded by the £120 million that the Welsh Government is using as a three pronged approach to the problem.
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139If it helps, I can offer the source I referred to and as extracted below. It is from the Wellcome Trust, I have no reason to suspect it is not genuine or accurate.OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: January 22nd, 2022, 11:54 pm
We will have to agree to disagree . I cannot find any dictionary definition which says endemic means a disease is relatively low spread, indeed mine says it could be widespread. Perhaps you have access to a definition I don't have?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281
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140A very tragic event, regardless of Covid.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:17 am When I retired in June, I took to cycling to a pub about 3 miles from where I live. Amongst the locals and tradesmen/professionals that I regularly chatted with is a bloke called Darren. Now it was only in late September after going to the pub 4 times a week, did someone inform me that Darren had terminal cancer.
Basically his story is this:
Last year at the height of Covid, his wife who is nurse, noticed that he wasn't well. It wasn't covid, but concerned she discussed his symptoms with a doctor at the hospital that she works at. That lead to a scan that confirmed he had a brain tumor. Now because of Covid, he kept getting his operation to remove the tumor postponed. Months later he is now in a position where it is inoperable and thus terminal.
Darren is 41, was a successful builder, and although unable to work, does enjoy life. You would not know physically, or to talk to him, that he was in the position that he is, other than he now wants to arrange his own wake at the pub, in order that he can enjoy it with everyone else, before he passes on.
The Welsh Government have tried to slow down the infections because of the impact that it has on hospitals.
They have purchased equipment - to allow patients who have recovered - to be able to go home.
Darren has had 4 jabs and a booster jab. He is now part of the first trial of anticovid tablets being used in the UK. This is also funded by the £120 million that the Welsh Government is using as a three pronged approach to the problem.
But surely the cause and effect of this is as you stated - last year at the height of the initial Covid impact.
If those clinical restrictions are to be imposed/implemented each and every time a Covid strain appears, which we are told it will through its endemic lifecycle, then surely incidents like this will continue and increase?
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141Whilst everyone hopes we will get to the Endemic, no scientific evidence has suggested that the UK is there yet. Indeed even when we are, the rest of the world won't be. That's why it is important to assist vaccination abroad, as only when you have Endemic status worldwide does it cease to be a world wide Pandemic. Then and only then do restrictions on travel be finally lifted.whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:44 amIf it helps, I can offer the source I referred to and as extracted below. It is from the Wellcome Trust, I have no reason to suspect it is not genuine or accurate.OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: January 22nd, 2022, 11:54 pm
We will have to agree to disagree . I cannot find any dictionary definition which says endemic means a disease is relatively low spread, indeed mine says it could be widespread. Perhaps you have access to a definition I don't have?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281
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142Depends what your definition of 'is there yet'. There are numerous sources suggesting that we are reaching the endemic stage.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:53 amWhilst everyone hopes we will get to the Endemic, no scientific evidence has suggested that the UK is there yet. Indeed even when we are, the rest of the world won't be. That's why it is important to assist vaccination abroad, as only when you have Endemic status worldwide does it cease to be a world wide Pandemic. Then and only then do restrictions on travel be finally lifted.whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:44 amIf it helps, I can offer the source I referred to and as extracted below. It is from the Wellcome Trust, I have no reason to suspect it is not genuine or accurate.OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: January 22nd, 2022, 11:54 pm
We will have to agree to disagree . I cannot find any dictionary definition which says endemic means a disease is relatively low spread, indeed mine says it could be widespread. Perhaps you have access to a definition I don't have?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281
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143whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:58 amDepends what your definition of 'is there yet'. There are numerous sources suggesting that we are reaching the endemic stage.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:53 amWhilst everyone hopes we will get to the Endemic, no scientific evidence has suggested that the UK is there yet. Indeed even when we are, the rest of the world won't be. That's why it is important to assist vaccination abroad, as only when you have Endemic status worldwide does it cease to be a world wide Pandemic. Then and only then do restrictions on travel be finally lifted.whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:44 amIf it helps, I can offer the source I referred to and as extracted below. It is from the Wellcome Trust, I have no reason to suspect it is not genuine or accurate.OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: January 22nd, 2022, 11:54 pm
We will have to agree to disagree . I cannot find any dictionary definition which says endemic means a disease is relatively low spread, indeed mine says it could be widespread. Perhaps you have access to a definition I don't have?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281
Looking at the definitions that you put on here i'd say we're not at the endemic stage yet
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144Indeed, but Omicron happened at the worst possible time for the NHS. As Omicron regresses we move closer to the summer. The science tells us that any further varients are likely to be more infectious but less deadly, and in terms of the NHS the summer months are not an issue.whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:49 amA very tragic event, regardless of the Covid.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:17 am When I retired in June, I took to cycling to a pub about 3 miles from where I live. Amongst the locals and tradesmen/professionals that I regularly chatted with is a bloke called Darren. Now it was only in late September after going to the pub 4 times a week, did someone inform me that Darren had terminal cancer.
Basically his story is this:
Last year at the height of Covid, his wife who is nurse, noticed that he wasn't well. It wasn't covid, but concerned she discussed his symptoms with a doctor at the hospital that she works at. That lead to a scan that confirmed he had a brain tumor. Now because of Covid, he kept getting his operation to remove the tumor postponed. Months later he is now in a position where it is inoperable and thus terminal.
Darren is 41, was a successful builder, and although unable to work, does enjoy life. You would not know physically, or to talk to him, that he was in the position that he is, other than he now wants to arrange his own wake at the pub, in order that he can enjoy it with everyone else, before he passes on.
The Welsh Government have tried to slow down the infections because of the impact that it has on hospitals.
They have purchased equipment - to allow patients who have recovered - to be able to go home.
Darren has had 4 jabs and a booster jab. He is now part of the first trial of anticovid tablets being used in the UK. This is also funded by the £120 million that the Welsh Government is using as a three pronged approach to the problem.
But surely the cause and effect of this is as you stated - last year at the height of the initial Covid impact.
If those clinical restrictions are to be imposed/implemented each and every time a Covid strain appears, which we are told it will through its endemic lifecycle, then surely incidents like this will continue and increase?
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145Did Boris suggest that the UK had reached the Endemic stage and it was all over then?whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:58 amDepends what your definition of 'is there yet'. There are numerous sources suggesting that we are reaching the endemic stage.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:53 amWhilst everyone hopes we will get to the Endemic, no scientific evidence has suggested that the UK is there yet. Indeed even when we are, the rest of the world won't be. That's why it is important to assist vaccination abroad, as only when you have Endemic status worldwide does it cease to be a world wide Pandemic. Then and only then do restrictions on travel be finally lifted.whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:44 amIf it helps, I can offer the source I referred to and as extracted below. It is from the Wellcome Trust, I have no reason to suspect it is not genuine or accurate.OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: January 22nd, 2022, 11:54 pm
We will have to agree to disagree . I cannot find any dictionary definition which says endemic means a disease is relatively low spread, indeed mine says it could be widespread. Perhaps you have access to a definition I don't have?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281
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146My experience of working in and for the NHS suggests that there are no periods of a year where any event is not an issue.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 11:00 am
Indeed, but Omicron happened at the worst possible time for the NHS. As Omicron regresses we move closer to the summer. The science tells us that any further varients are likely to be more infectious but less deadly, and in terms of the NHS the summer months are not an issue.
Covid has confirmed at least one thing that we might all agree on - the NHS is busted.
It has annual/cyclical bed shortages and operates as a reactive service that adapts and responds to the issue that is deemed to be the priority of the moment, be that cancer, heart disease, strokes, geriatric care, maternity care, ICU/HDU, A&E and so on.
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147I dont listen to Boris any more than you do. But there are sources out there that suggest we are reaching the endemic stage.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 11:03 amDid Boris suggest that the UK had reached the Endemic stage and it was all over then?whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:58 amDepends what your definition of 'is there yet'. There are numerous sources suggesting that we are reaching the endemic stage.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:53 amWhilst everyone hopes we will get to the Endemic, no scientific evidence has suggested that the UK is there yet. Indeed even when we are, the rest of the world won't be. That's why it is important to assist vaccination abroad, as only when you have Endemic status worldwide does it cease to be a world wide Pandemic. Then and only then do restrictions on travel be finally lifted.whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:44 amIf it helps, I can offer the source I referred to and as extracted below. It is from the Wellcome Trust, I have no reason to suspect it is not genuine or accurate.OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: January 22nd, 2022, 11:54 pm
We will have to agree to disagree . I cannot find any dictionary definition which says endemic means a disease is relatively low spread, indeed mine says it could be widespread. Perhaps you have access to a definition I don't have?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281
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148My Mrs had a scare last year I wont go to much into it but she was told she'd have to wait even longer to see a specialist I know I'm a hypocrite being a socialist but I took her up st joes she saw a specialist within days he eased her mind but I was looking at remortgages to pay for surgery
My family comes first
My family comes first
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149I think that the huge rate of recent infection and the ongoing sharp fall in the rate of newly reported infections suggests that we are reaching the endemic stage,Exile 1976 wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:59 amwhoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:58 amDepends what your definition of 'is there yet'. There are numerous sources suggesting that we are reaching the endemic stage.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:53 amWhilst everyone hopes we will get to the Endemic, no scientific evidence has suggested that the UK is there yet. Indeed even when we are, the rest of the world won't be. That's why it is important to assist vaccination abroad, as only when you have Endemic status worldwide does it cease to be a world wide Pandemic. Then and only then do restrictions on travel be finally lifted.whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 10:44 amIf it helps, I can offer the source I referred to and as extracted below. It is from the Wellcome Trust, I have no reason to suspect it is not genuine or accurate.OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: January 22nd, 2022, 11:54 pm
We will have to agree to disagree . I cannot find any dictionary definition which says endemic means a disease is relatively low spread, indeed mine says it could be widespread. Perhaps you have access to a definition I don't have?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281
Looking at the definitions that you put on here i'd say we're not at the endemic stage yet
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150The link between the NHS and the care service is busted, along with the fact that if your private operation is botched, you end up in the NHS. It's that, that requires finance from a Central Government that simply isn't functioning. Devolved governments therefore are forced to stump up the cash to just paper over the cracks. They don't have the resource to sort it.
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