It was a light hearted way of saying that because, or despite our leaders, we have come a long way.pembsexile wrote: January 15th, 2022, 6:12 pmI find it very difficult to make light hearted comments about this man. If I made my true feelings known, I would probably be banned.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 14th, 2022, 1:20 pm Jacob Rees Mogg will be prime minister soon, and he can take us all back to the good old 1800's, before illness and football were invented, and we can all die in work related accidents.
Last week he made disparaging remarks about the leader of the Scottish conservatives, calling him a lightweight. In Parliament this week he was asked for his opinion on the leader of the Welsh conservatives and could he name him. He named the Secretary of State for Wales. They are two different people and two different offices. This was a man standing in for the PM ffs. The conservatives have a complete and utter blasé attitude to the people of Wales and Scotland. Ok, rant over.
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92Yeh, I get what you say, certainly not a pop at your view of him at all. It is just that I feel he is a pompous, arrogant, self centred, selfish, privileged person. I have no idea where he is the MP of but there is no way he could get a seat in the Tory ‘red wall’ constituencies. He is so out of touch. With King Boris, he is the best asset that the Lib Dems and Labour have.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 15th, 2022, 8:12 pmIt was a light hearted way of saying that because, or despite our leaders, we have come a long way.pembsexile wrote: January 15th, 2022, 6:12 pmI find it very difficult to make light hearted comments about this man. If I made my true feelings known, I would probably be banned.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 14th, 2022, 1:20 pm Jacob Rees Mogg will be prime minister soon, and he can take us all back to the good old 1800's, before illness and football were invented, and we can all die in work related accidents.
Last week he made disparaging remarks about the leader of the Scottish conservatives, calling him a lightweight. In Parliament this week he was asked for his opinion on the leader of the Welsh conservatives and could he name him. He named the Secretary of State for Wales. They are two different people and two different offices. This was a man standing in for the PM ffs. The conservatives have a complete and utter blasé attitude to the people of Wales and Scotland. Ok, rant over.
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93Perhaps oddly, I have always taken the view that middle class is an aspirational thing, invented by politicians, in order to attract votes.
I believe you are either born into money, or you are not. If you are good at what you do, generally you will be successful and happy, but not always rich.
In terms of asperations, who the hell wants to be like Jacob Rees Mogg?
We will soon have a generation who have parent's that were lottery winner's. I wonder if that will help, or hinder them, in the quest for happiness?
I believe you are either born into money, or you are not. If you are good at what you do, generally you will be successful and happy, but not always rich.
In terms of asperations, who the hell wants to be like Jacob Rees Mogg?
We will soon have a generation who have parent's that were lottery winner's. I wonder if that will help, or hinder them, in the quest for happiness?
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94Presuming the covid figures don't take an upturn in the next week or 2 and fans are allowed back into grounds; my thoughts turn to the rest of the season and the seemingly inevitable next rise in cases which will occur before the end of the season. Will the devolved government's again take a different approach to England in respect of fan bans/restrictions?
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95There is a conspiracy theory that Omicron was developed in the lab, as a less damaging but more contagious vatient to overtake Delta. I personally doubt that it was, but think in the overall war, it is probably been helpful to an extent. As Omicron subsides, I guess it now moves us closer to Endemic status, similar to Flu.
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96I'm sure there are many who are desperate to describe the virus as endemic, but suspect there will be those who disagree with the description. However that will not address the issue of the 10s of millions in the UK who will remain not fully vaccinated and who may continue to 'clog up' ICUs, unlike 'flu as far as I'm aware.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 16th, 2022, 10:09 am There is a conspiracy theory that Omicron was developed in the lab, as a less damaging but more contagious vatient to overtake Delta. I personally doubt that it was, but think in the overall war, it is probably been helpful to an extent. As Omicron subsides, I guess it now moves us closer to Endemic status, similar to Flu.
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97I agree, but unlike South Africa that Omicron hit in their Summer, ours was at the worst time for the NHS. Nationally Boris favoured NHS trusts declaring crisis status, in order to abandon routine operations, and utilise the bedspace. Trusts in crisis then get extra money to move the routine patients from NHS to private lists.
That was a political decision that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland rejected, and therfore used the money to slow down the virus, and in Wales also pay for measures to assist the removal of bedblocking pressures.
That was a political decision that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland rejected, and therfore used the money to slow down the virus, and in Wales also pay for measures to assist the removal of bedblocking pressures.
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98Interesting points, I hadn't considered.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 16th, 2022, 11:27 am I agree, but unlike South Africa that Omicron hit in their Summer, ours was at the worst time for the NHS. Nationally Boris favoured NHS trusts declaring crisis status, in order to abandon routine operations, and utilise the bedspace. Trusts in crisis then get extra money to move the routine patients from NHS to private lists.
That was a political decision that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland rejected, and therfore used the money to slow down the virus, and in Wales also pay for measures to assist the removal of bedblocking pressures.
Will be interesting to see how the hopefully warmer weather mitigates the case rates.
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99Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.ampScarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"
"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."
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100Ultimately, WE pay for this via tax (ironically subsidised by English taxpayers one way or another) - I hope there is a realisation that this policy, while initially coming from the right place, was based not only on somewhat unsound science but was ill thought out and poorly executed so as to become farce (i.e., 1000’s of fans going to ‘away’ games and/or fans of English clubs attending game in England, etc ditto with nightclubbing) – stoic, proud and stubborn (and ultimately decent & honourable) Mark Drakeford and his acolytes will not apologise for the damage done to Welsh sport and society and cite impossible to prove figures (‘our measures worked because imagine how much worse things would have been if we hadn’t done it’).landinho wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:06 am Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.ampScarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"
"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."
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101The nurses who injected me on three occasions nor their acolytes failed to apologize to me for the pain they inflicted. Further whilst it is impossible to know, even at 64, myself being in good health to it is unlikely I would have been very sick or died had I contracted the virus, the reality is in all probability I would have survived quite comfortably.CathedralCounty wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:48 amMark Drakeford and his acolytes will not apologise for the damage done to Welsh sport and society and cite impossible to prove figures (‘our measures worked because imagine how much worse things would have been if we hadn’t done it’).landinho wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:06 am Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.ampScarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"
"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."
But to the nurses and support workers both in Newport, where I had my first injection and in Newtown Forbes, County Longford where I had the second and booster injections I can only say a heartfelt thanks.
You are quite entitled to disagree with Mark Drakeford's polices, I clearly don't, but to suggest he needs to apologise is not logical. There have been restrictions on our liberties. Then again being forced to wear seat belts in a car, not being allowed to smoke in a pub, not being allowed to drive a car drunk are all restrictions on individual liberty. All of which were opposed at the time of introduction.
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102Accept that the fan ban has done damage to Welsh sport. As for other areas such as hospitality, there has been plenty of damage done in England due to people's behaviours not Governments measures. It's very easy to blame, often wrongly in my view, Governments for those behaviours. Impossible to prove figures? Yes, although case rates and hospitalisations do appear to indicate that the Welsh approach has been more successful than England.CathedralCounty wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:48 amUltimately, WE pay for this via tax (ironically subsidised by English taxpayers one way or another) - I hope there is a realisation that this policy, while initially coming from the right place, was based not only on somewhat unsound science but was ill thought out and poorly executed so as to become farce (i.e., 1000’s of fans going to ‘away’ games and/or fans of English clubs attending game in England, etc ditto with nightclubbing) – stoic, proud and stubborn (and ultimately decent & honourable) Mark Drakeford and his acolytes will not apologise for the damage done to Welsh sport and society and cite impossible to prove figures (‘our measures worked because imagine how much worse things would have been if we hadn’t done it’).landinho wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:06 am Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.ampScarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"
"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."
The question most relevent to me now as a County supporter is will the Welsh Government take a different approach if/when case rates and hospitalisation increase again in the forthcoming months. With the inevitable waning of the booster efficacy, people's behaviours become less careful and 10s of millions remain not fully vaccinated it is certainly a real possibility before this season is over.
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103'Apologise' perhaps not and may be poor choice of words on my part but certainly 'recognise' it was the wrong approach or if correct an approach which was not executed well and thus turned into high farce a la yes minister.Stan A. Einstein wrote: January 17th, 2022, 11:08 amThe nurses who injected me on three occasions nor their acolytes failed to apologize to me for the pain they inflicted. Further whilst it is impossible to know, even at 64, myself being in good health to it is unlikely I would have been very sick or died had I contracted the virus, the reality is in all probability I would have survived quite comfortably.CathedralCounty wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:48 amMark Drakeford and his acolytes will not apologise for the damage done to Welsh sport and society and cite impossible to prove figures (‘our measures worked because imagine how much worse things would have been if we hadn’t done it’).landinho wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:06 am Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.ampScarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"
"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."
But to the nurses and support workers both in Newport, where I had my first injection and in Newtown Forbes, County Longford where I had the second and booster injections I can only say a heartfelt thanks.
You are quite entitled to disagree with Mark Drakeford's polices, I clearly don't, but to suggest he needs to apologise is not logical. There have been restrictions on our liberties. Then again being forced to wear seat belts in a car, not being allowed to smoke in a pub, not being allowed to drive a car drunk are all restrictions on individual liberty. All of which were opposed at the time of introduction.
As for healthcare workers - I live with one and she's no fan of Drakeford's policies either! the idea that NHS workers were clamouring for more/tougher restrictions is something of a myth - *some* senior figures were but on the ground NHS staff were seeing the folly of ill thought out polices which weren’t working on the ground and were resulting in worse outcomes for patients/residents – as for the ‘fan ban’ in Wales her (the NHS workers) attitude was it was worse to effectively encourage people to travel to England for their sporting/other kicks (with all the covid related risks the travel let alone activity itself entailed) when an outdoor event or a more controlled indoor event in Wales would [have] been ‘safer’…
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104in my view this should be based on science and what we know rather than what have proved to be outlandish and overly pessimistic 'modelling' (modellers admit that they only model 'worse case' scenarios) - https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my- ... -committee - fair enough if the hospitalisation and death rates are through the roof lock us down all ends up (but with some caveats) but if millions are infected but not ill or only mildly ill then it is essentially little more than a cold which is well – life I hope it’s the latter of the two!OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: January 17th, 2022, 11:42 amAccept that the fan ban has done damage to Welsh sport. As for other areas such as hospitality, there has been plenty of damage done in England due to people's behaviours not Governments measures. It's very easy to blame, often wrongly in my view, Governments for those behaviours. Impossible to prove figures? Yes, although case rates and hospitalisations do appear to indicate that the Welsh approach has been more successful than England.CathedralCounty wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:48 amUltimately, WE pay for this via tax (ironically subsidised by English taxpayers one way or another) - I hope there is a realisation that this policy, while initially coming from the right place, was based not only on somewhat unsound science but was ill thought out and poorly executed so as to become farce (i.e., 1000’s of fans going to ‘away’ games and/or fans of English clubs attending game in England, etc ditto with nightclubbing) – stoic, proud and stubborn (and ultimately decent & honourable) Mark Drakeford and his acolytes will not apologise for the damage done to Welsh sport and society and cite impossible to prove figures (‘our measures worked because imagine how much worse things would have been if we hadn’t done it’).landinho wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:06 am Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.ampScarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"
"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."
The question most relevent to me now as a County supporter is will the Welsh Government take a different approach if/when case rates and hospitalisation increase again in the forthcoming months. With the inevitable waning of the booster efficacy, people's behaviours become less careful and 10s of millions remain not fully vaccinated it is certainly a real possibility before this season is over.
What we do know is outdoor event are ‘safe(er)’ and are not generally thought to be ‘super spreader’ events indeed many scientists now debunk the whole idea of ‘super spreader’ events and say community/localised transmission [especially indoors] is far more likely.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... d-response
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105Over the years we have seen many scientific studies funded by self interested parties.
The slave trade was a by-product of the sugar and tabacco industries. Two products that if introduced to the world in 2022, would probably have been banned instantly, but together funded studies that appeared to cast doubt on the related health issues.
Science is very much about probability, and forecast. As such if people are persuaded to change their habits, then the forecast could be affected.
Clearly you don't have to be a scientist to understand that the rule of six did have an impact on virus transmission. Likewise restricting large gatherings did.
To some the restrictions far outway any benifit. Others will say I had a laugh with my mates, and watched the games on ifollow, what was the big problem?
The slave trade was a by-product of the sugar and tabacco industries. Two products that if introduced to the world in 2022, would probably have been banned instantly, but together funded studies that appeared to cast doubt on the related health issues.
Science is very much about probability, and forecast. As such if people are persuaded to change their habits, then the forecast could be affected.
Clearly you don't have to be a scientist to understand that the rule of six did have an impact on virus transmission. Likewise restricting large gatherings did.
To some the restrictions far outway any benifit. Others will say I had a laugh with my mates, and watched the games on ifollow, what was the big problem?
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