pembsexile wrote: January 15th, 2022, 6:12 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: January 14th, 2022, 1:20 pm Jacob Rees Mogg will be prime minister soon, and he can take us all back to the good old 1800's, before illness and football were invented, and we can all die in work related accidents.

I find it very difficult to make light hearted comments about this man. If I made my true feelings known, I would probably be banned.

Last week he made disparaging remarks about the leader of the Scottish conservatives, calling him a lightweight. In Parliament this week he was asked for his opinion on the leader of the Welsh conservatives and could he name him. He named the Secretary of State for Wales. They are two different people and two different offices. This was a man standing in for the PM ffs. The conservatives have a complete and utter blasé attitude to the people of Wales and Scotland. Ok, rant over.

Bangitintrnet wrote: January 15th, 2022, 8:12 pm

pembsexile wrote: January 15th, 2022, 6:12 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: January 14th, 2022, 1:20 pm Jacob Rees Mogg will be prime minister soon, and he can take us all back to the good old 1800's, before illness and football were invented, and we can all die in work related accidents.

I find it very difficult to make light hearted comments about this man. If I made my true feelings known, I would probably be banned.

Last week he made disparaging remarks about the leader of the Scottish conservatives, calling him a lightweight. In Parliament this week he was asked for his opinion on the leader of the Welsh conservatives and could he name him. He named the Secretary of State for Wales. They are two different people and two different offices. This was a man standing in for the PM ffs. The conservatives have a complete and utter blasé attitude to the people of Wales and Scotland. Ok, rant over.

It was a light hearted way of saying that because, or despite our leaders, we have come a long way.

Bangitintrnet wrote: January 16th, 2022, 10:09 am There is a conspiracy theory that Omicron was developed in the lab, as a less damaging but more contagious vatient to overtake Delta. I personally doubt that it was, but think in the overall war, it is probably been helpful to an extent. As Omicron subsides, I guess it now moves us closer to Endemic status, similar to Flu.

Bangitintrnet wrote: January 16th, 2022, 11:27 am I agree, but unlike South Africa that Omicron hit in their Summer, ours was at the worst time for the NHS. Nationally Boris favoured NHS trusts declaring crisis status, in order to abandon routine operations, and utilise the bedspace. Trusts in crisis then get extra money to move the routine patients from NHS to private lists.

That was a political decision that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland rejected, and therfore used the money to slow down the virus, and in Wales also pay for measures to assist the removal of bedblocking pressures.

Scarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"

"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."

landinho wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:06 am Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?

Scarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"

"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.amp

CathedralCounty wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:48 am

landinho wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:06 am Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?

Scarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"

"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.amp

Mark Drakeford and his acolytes will not apologise for the damage done to Welsh sport and society and cite impossible to prove figures (‘our measures worked because imagine how much worse things would have been if we hadn’t done it’).

CathedralCounty wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:48 am

landinho wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:06 am Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?

Scarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"

"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.amp

Ultimately, WE pay for this via tax (ironically subsidised by English taxpayers one way or another) - I hope there is a realisation that this policy, while initially coming from the right place, was based not only on somewhat unsound science but was ill thought out and poorly executed so as to become farce (i.e., 1000’s of fans going to ‘away’ games and/or fans of English clubs attending game in England, etc ditto with nightclubbing) – stoic, proud and stubborn (and ultimately decent & honourable) Mark Drakeford and his acolytes will not apologise for the damage done to Welsh sport and society and cite impossible to prove figures (‘our measures worked because imagine how much worse things would have been if we hadn’t done it’).

Stan A. Einstein wrote: January 17th, 2022, 11:08 am

CathedralCounty wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:48 am

landinho wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:06 am Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?

Scarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"

"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.amp

Mark Drakeford and his acolytes will not apologise for the damage done to Welsh sport and society and cite impossible to prove figures (‘our measures worked because imagine how much worse things would have been if we hadn’t done it’).

The nurses who injected me on three occasions nor their acolytes failed to apologize to me for the pain they inflicted. Further whilst it is impossible to know, even at 64, myself being in good health to it is unlikely I would have been very sick or died had I contracted the virus, the reality is in all probability I would have survived quite comfortably.

But to the nurses and support workers both in Newport, where I had my first injection and in Newtown Forbes, County Longford where I had the second and booster injections I can only say a heartfelt thanks.

You are quite entitled to disagree with Mark Drakeford's polices, I clearly don't, but to suggest he needs to apologise is not logical. There have been restrictions on our liberties. Then again being forced to wear seat belts in a car, not being allowed to smoke in a pub, not being allowed to drive a car drunk are all restrictions on individual liberty. All of which were opposed at the time of introduction.

OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: January 17th, 2022, 11:42 am

CathedralCounty wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:48 am

landinho wrote: January 17th, 2022, 10:06 am Some quotes in a BBC piece this weekend - mainly about the rugby, but with discussion of the payments to clubs. Sounds like no payment has been made and WG are still at the stage of asking for receipts… bit disappointed payments weren’t set up earlier (even if in part) given cash flow challenges in pro sports?

Scarlets chairman Simon Muderack says the region are yet to receive any money.
"We're yet to work through the final detail of that and receive funds, which we'll hopefully be able to do shortly (…) Welsh government guidance to us has been 'put your claim in',"

"We will find out over the course of time that that needs to be in fairly short order and where that sits within the other requests that have come in, and against the £3m that's been announced (…) there might be an opportunity to consider the top line £3m figure."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/wales/59997542.amp

Ultimately, WE pay for this via tax (ironically subsidised by English taxpayers one way or another) - I hope there is a realisation that this policy, while initially coming from the right place, was based not only on somewhat unsound science but was ill thought out and poorly executed so as to become farce (i.e., 1000’s of fans going to ‘away’ games and/or fans of English clubs attending game in England, etc ditto with nightclubbing) – stoic, proud and stubborn (and ultimately decent & honourable) Mark Drakeford and his acolytes will not apologise for the damage done to Welsh sport and society and cite impossible to prove figures (‘our measures worked because imagine how much worse things would have been if we hadn’t done it’).

Accept that the fan ban has done damage to Welsh sport. As for other areas such as hospitality, there has been plenty of damage done in England due to people's behaviours not Governments measures. It's very easy to blame, often wrongly in my view, Governments for those behaviours. Impossible to prove figures? Yes, although case rates and hospitalisations do appear to indicate that the Welsh approach has been more successful than England.
The question most relevent to me now as a County supporter is will the Welsh Government take a different approach if/when case rates and hospitalisation increase again in the forthcoming months. With the inevitable waning of the booster efficacy, people's behaviours become less careful and 10s of millions remain not fully vaccinated it is certainly a real possibility before this season is over.