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County4Life wrote: December 21st, 2021, 6:04 pm
County-at-the-races wrote: December 21st, 2021, 5:36 pm If you can't prove you've joined in with the vast majority of the population, then you can royally f-off with being allowed anywhere near where crowds gather and that includes public transport, shops, events etc. Then perhaps they might get the message that the greater good of the majority is more important than the rights of the minority
Form a posse, hang em' high, yee haaa
People who don't get vaccinated are putting their own lives in greater jeopardy. That's their right. Unfortunately they are also putting the lives of everyone else at risk. And that they don't have the right to do.

Hang them? No.

Curtail their rights in the short term on the basis that they are selfish little [email protected]? Yes.

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Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 21st, 2021, 6:16 pm
County4Life wrote: December 21st, 2021, 6:04 pm
County-at-the-races wrote: December 21st, 2021, 5:36 pm If you can't prove you've joined in with the vast majority of the population, then you can royally f-off with being allowed anywhere near where crowds gather and that includes public transport, shops, events etc. Then perhaps they might get the message that the greater good of the majority is more important than the rights of the minority
Form a posse, hang em' high, yee haaa
People who don't get vaccinated are putting their own lives in greater jeopardy. That's their right. Unfortunately they are also putting the lives of everyone else at risk. And that they don't have the right to do.

Hang them? No.

Curtail their rights in the short term on the basis that they are selfish little [email protected]? Yes.
My remark was a little flippant and I apologise to the op for making it, I need to calm. The fans are being flamed in the media and I would rather people (including myself) to bring some water to it without being told. Scenario: an-unvaxxinated single man who is also your neighbour is now barred from buying food in a shop, what do you do? He is a vulnerable man. Would you take the risk to help him??

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UPTHEPORT wrote: December 21st, 2021, 1:11 pm Just done a bits and bobs shop in supermarket noticed someone back on door enforcing the mask wearing which is good but then you walk round store and people just warming their chins with them or pulled down from the nose so totally useless , Then you got those that have brought a I'm exempt badge on line 🤬
Agree there does seem to be an awful lot of 'exempt' people that said I was strangled and suffocated as a child both as a part of bullying and pattern of abuse (I'm over it but was obv a crap time) so I don't like things/hands on or around my face - although I in fact do wear a mask (!) my point is people have all sorts of reasons for not wearing a mask and we'll never know why (although doubtful ALL those not wearing have a medical or trauma reason not to) in truth and masks have only a limited affect - yes better to wear than not but, and poor choice of words here, not a hill to die on

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CathedralCounty wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 10:11 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: December 21st, 2021, 1:11 pm Just done a bits and bobs shop in supermarket noticed someone back on door enforcing the mask wearing which is good but then you walk round store and people just warming their chins with them or pulled down from the nose so totally useless , Then you got those that have brought a I'm exempt badge on line 🤬
Agree there does seem to be an awful lot of 'exempt' people that said I was strangled and suffocated as a child both as a part of bullying and pattern of abuse (I'm over it but was obv a crap time) so I don't like things/hands on or around my face - although I in fact do wear a mask (!) my point is people have all sorts of reasons for not wearing a mask and we'll never know why (although doubtful ALL those not wearing have a medical or trauma reason not to) in truth and masks have only a limited affect - yes better to wear than not but, and poor choice of words here, not a hill to die on
My mum went to the spar shop and has come back with what I thought was an intersting story. There are a lot of 'customers' who are now becoming aggressive towards, and personally abusive towards the staff for not enforcing the guidelines. They don"t deserve it, I can't stand bullies. Sorry to hear your personal story mate

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County4Life wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 10:25 am
CathedralCounty wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 10:11 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: December 21st, 2021, 1:11 pm Just done a bits and bobs shop in supermarket noticed someone back on door enforcing the mask wearing which is good but then you walk round store and people just warming their chins with them or pulled down from the nose so totally useless , Then you got those that have brought a I'm exempt badge on line 🤬
Agree there does seem to be an awful lot of 'exempt' people that said I was strangled and suffocated as a child both as a part of bullying and pattern of abuse (I'm over it but was obv a crap time) so I don't like things/hands on or around my face - although I in fact do wear a mask (!) my point is people have all sorts of reasons for not wearing a mask and we'll never know why (although doubtful ALL those not wearing have a medical or trauma reason not to) in truth and masks have only a limited affect - yes better to wear than not but, and poor choice of words here, not a hill to die on
My mum went to the spar shop and has come back with what I thought was an intersting story. There are a lot of 'customers' who are now becoming aggressive towards, and personally abusive towards the staff for not enforcing the guidelines. They don"t deserve it, I can't stand bullies. Sorry to hear your personal story mate

So sad to hear that. I know I keep repeating myself, but the only answer is for everyone to wear one in shops. I believe they can only have a minimal benefit, but we shouldn't ignore the psychological comforting benefit they can have for many of the more vulnerable either.

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OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 3:27 pm
County4Life wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 10:25 am
CathedralCounty wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 10:11 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: December 21st, 2021, 1:11 pm Just done a bits and bobs shop in supermarket noticed someone back on door enforcing the mask wearing which is good but then you walk round store and people just warming their chins with them or pulled down from the nose so totally useless , Then you got those that have brought a I'm exempt badge on line 🤬
Agree there does seem to be an awful lot of 'exempt' people that said I was strangled and suffocated as a child both as a part of bullying and pattern of abuse (I'm over it but was obv a crap time) so I don't like things/hands on or around my face - although I in fact do wear a mask (!) my point is people have all sorts of reasons for not wearing a mask and we'll never know why (although doubtful ALL those not wearing have a medical or trauma reason not to) in truth and masks have only a limited affect - yes better to wear than not but, and poor choice of words here, not a hill to die on
My mum went to the spar shop and has come back with what I thought was an intersting story. There are a lot of 'customers' who are now becoming aggressive towards, and personally abusive towards the staff for not enforcing the guidelines. They don"t deserve it, I can't stand bullies. Sorry to hear your personal story mate

So sad to hear that. I know I keep repeating myself, but the only answer is for everyone to wear one in shops. I believe they can only have a minimal benefit, but we shouldn't ignore the psychological comforting benefit they can have for many of the more vulnerable either.
Hi mate, I do comply to mask wearing in shops as I feel for the workers in shops. It's not something that get's mentioned much. The more anger in the population, they get the brunt of it. Have a good day mate :bounce:

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County4Life wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 3:43 pm
OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 3:27 pm
County4Life wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 10:25 am
CathedralCounty wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 10:11 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: December 21st, 2021, 1:11 pm Just done a bits and bobs shop in supermarket noticed someone back on door enforcing the mask wearing which is good but then you walk round store and people just warming their chins with them or pulled down from the nose so totally useless , Then you got those that have brought a I'm exempt badge on line 🤬
Agree there does seem to be an awful lot of 'exempt' people that said I was strangled and suffocated as a child both as a part of bullying and pattern of abuse (I'm over it but was obv a crap time) so I don't like things/hands on or around my face - although I in fact do wear a mask (!) my point is people have all sorts of reasons for not wearing a mask and we'll never know why (although doubtful ALL those not wearing have a medical or trauma reason not to) in truth and masks have only a limited affect - yes better to wear than not but, and poor choice of words here, not a hill to die on
My mum went to the spar shop and has come back with what I thought was an intersting story. There are a lot of 'customers' who are now becoming aggressive towards, and personally abusive towards the staff for not enforcing the guidelines. They don"t deserve it, I can't stand bullies. Sorry to hear your personal story mate

So sad to hear that. I know I keep repeating myself, but the only answer is for everyone to wear one in shops. I believe they can only have a minimal benefit, but we shouldn't ignore the psychological comforting benefit they can have for many of the more vulnerable either.
Hi mate, I do comply to mask wearing in shops as I feel for the workers in shops. It's not something that get's mentioned much. The more anger in the population, they get the brunt of it. Have a good day mate :bounce:
Thanks for that. Have utmost sympathy for most shop workers also. Although those workers who don't wear masks themselves are not helping the situation.

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pembsexile wrote: December 21st, 2021, 10:00 am The way this virus is mutating is frightening, really frightening. It is also fascinating in a macabre sort of way. We now see that the transmission rate of the virus is developing in a way not seen before. It is very quick to get a hold. However, the severity of the virus is not as bad as the other variants. I wonder if the two are interlinked? The bloody virus seems to have a strategy and a mind of its own. If it carries on, we will see hospitals overwhelmed because of the sheer numbers of cases even if the severity of the illness for some is not the same as previously seen.

Any experts in Virology out there who can answer this one? Does the virus react to the vaccine fight against it or is it just a chance mutation?

Anyway, if what we see with this virus now does not convince those who can to get vaccinated, then there really is a case for mandatory vaccines. My prediction is that sometime in February (if it’s not too late) the case for mandatory vaccines will be overwhelming. If not, prohibitive selection against those who choose not to get vaccinated will probably happen. It’s not the British way but because of the few, we may be forced to take this action.

I just wish players would set an example.
I've read that there is a link between the very high transmissibility of Omicron and its lower ability to cause serious illness. It seems that the same mutation that speeds up infection also reduces the efficiency of the virus as a lung infector.

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It seems that Omicron effects the upper respiratory tract rather than lower in the lung like Delta. As such if you have had Delta then the symptoms are less but not if you haven't had COVID before. The problem is NHS staff being off sick with Omicron, rather than the number in hospital as far as I can work out.

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Bangitintrnet wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 4:41 pm It seems that Omicron effects the upper respiratory tract rather than lower in the lung like Delta. As such if you have had Delta then the symptoms are less but not if you haven't had COVID before. The problem is NHS staff being off sick with Omicron, rather than the number in hospital as far as I can work out.

Yes I can report we are being asked to test before every shift now so more tests more positive results and having to stay home until you have a PCR test

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G Guest wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 4:06 pm
pembsexile wrote: December 21st, 2021, 10:00 am The way this virus is mutating is frightening, really frightening. It is also fascinating in a macabre sort of way. We now see that the transmission rate of the virus is developing in a way not seen before. It is very quick to get a hold. However, the severity of the virus is not as bad as the other variants. I wonder if the two are interlinked? The bloody virus seems to have a strategy and a mind of its own. If it carries on, we will see hospitals overwhelmed because of the sheer numbers of cases even if the severity of the illness for some is not the same as previously seen.

Any experts in Virology out there who can answer this one? Does the virus react to the vaccine fight against it or is it just a chance mutation?

Anyway, if what we see with this virus now does not convince those who can to get vaccinated, then there really is a case for mandatory vaccines. My prediction is that sometime in February (if it’s not too late) the case for mandatory vaccines will be overwhelming. If not, prohibitive selection against those who choose not to get vaccinated will probably happen. It’s not the British way but because of the few, we may be forced to take this action.

I just wish players would set an example.
I've read that there is a link between the very high transmissibility of Omicron and its lower ability to cause serious illness. It seems that the same mutation that speeds up infection also reduces the efficiency of the virus as a lung infector.
Thanks. Hopefully that will be true in future years. It seems that in its current form the virus seeks to transmit to as many people as possible. If the link is true then we may see the virus become less and less dangerous as it mutates and spreads in future years. Then, we may be able to treat it as we do the flu or a very heavy cold. Fingers crossed.

However, we are not at that stage yet and need to treat the virus with respect and take general precautions as has been stated on here many times.

I have also read the report that another poster stated that the problem we have now is that so many NHS staff in critical care areas will be off because they have symptoms and there will then be fewer staff to treat the virus as these staff need to self isolate. The irony of it all is that I have seen the news reports that the very people who are in the majority in ITU etc are the people that haven’t been vaccinated. We seem to be in a critical phase right now.

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pembsexile wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 7:00 pm
G Guest wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 4:06 pm
pembsexile wrote: December 21st, 2021, 10:00 am The way this virus is mutating is frightening, really frightening. It is also fascinating in a macabre sort of way. We now see that the transmission rate of the virus is developing in a way not seen before. It is very quick to get a hold. However, the severity of the virus is not as bad as the other variants. I wonder if the two are interlinked? The bloody virus seems to have a strategy and a mind of its own. If it carries on, we will see hospitals overwhelmed because of the sheer numbers of cases even if the severity of the illness for some is not the same as previously seen.

Any experts in Virology out there who can answer this one? Does the virus react to the vaccine fight against it or is it just a chance mutation?

Anyway, if what we see with this virus now does not convince those who can to get vaccinated, then there really is a case for mandatory vaccines. My prediction is that sometime in February (if it’s not too late) the case for mandatory vaccines will be overwhelming. If not, prohibitive selection against those who choose not to get vaccinated will probably happen. It’s not the British way but because of the few, we may be forced to take this action.

I just wish players would set an example.
I've read that there is a link between the very high transmissibility of Omicron and its lower ability to cause serious illness. It seems that the same mutation that speeds up infection also reduces the efficiency of the virus as a lung infector.
Thanks. Hopefully that will be true in future years. It seems that in its current form the virus seeks to transmit to as many people as possible. If the link is true then we may see the virus become less and less dangerous as it mutates and spreads in future years. Then, we may be able to treat it as we do the flu or a very heavy cold. Fingers crossed.

However, we are not at that stage yet and need to treat the virus with respect and take general precautions as has been stated on here many times.

I have also read the report that another poster stated that the problem we have now is that so many NHS staff in critical care areas will be off because they have symptoms and there will then be fewer staff to treat the virus as these staff need to self isolate. The irony of it all is that I have seen the news reports that the very people who are in the majority in ITU etc are the people that haven’t been vaccinated. We seem to be in a critical phase right now.
I see things much the same way. Some interesting preliminary stats I have just read suggest only a 40% less chance of hospitalisation with the covid variant. Disappointing if true.
Wales only-- week ending 17th Dec. Cases for 20-29 years old more than doubled. 30-39 years old up more than a third, yet those in their 60s and 70s more than halved.

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OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: December 20th, 2021, 12:20 am
Lost in Willesden wrote: December 18th, 2021, 10:01 pm No actual proof yet the omnicon is as vicious as the other forms of Sars(Covid). Deaths are less than Winter Flu at the moment.

But infections...if we compare to flu? Are more or less.

Glad the Port game went ahead today, proves we're doing it right(apart from party's in Covid times).

I hope the Welsh government don't overreact and put our season in jeopardy.
Accept that no proof of the omicron being as deadly as it's previous variants'. 'Successful' variants will naturally become more transmissible but less deadly. Hopefully that proves to be the case.
I do challenge any idea that Covid deaths are anywhere near less than Winter flu though. As best as I can tell 'Flu has killed between 10.000 and 25.000 in the worst years.
Over a 2 year period therefore those figures are less than a third of Covid deaths. Useless things improve significantly the UK at it's current trajectory is looking at approx. another 70.000 in the next year.
Impossible to compare case numbers as testing for 'flu is nowhere near as frequently undertaken as for Covid.
Hope the Welsh government reacts proportionately to the situation as it evolves even if that does mean curtailing the football season.
Well, totally disagree with those figures. In fact the South African Scientist who discovered Omricon totally disagrees with those figures. (BBC, Irish Times Various,) says it's milder than Trump flu.

But if you're a 'Cardiff" based thinker. Then...shut it down...

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