whoareya wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 8:38 amBut does the consultant have an issue, because his surgical team is not complete due to covid sickness.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 23rd, 2022, 7:05 amIt's not though is it. Think about someone in their 20's, involved in a motorbike accident and has a scan. They find no internal injury but pick up a brain tumor, sizeable but still operable. However the consultant has an issue, his surgical team is not complete due to covid sickness. He can get someone from a neighbouring hospital to make up the team. He then has the problem of a patient needing to recover in intensive care, that is occupied mainly by covid patients. He doesn't want to operate, put him in a very vulnerable position and him get covid. So he postponed the the operation and deals with the broken bones. The patient is in pain, but the nurses are on sick leave or drafted into ICU, or looking after visitors to check that they are not bringing covid to a covid free ward. Meanwhile an operable tumor is growing, what would you do? Where is the patient going to fall into the statistics if he dies of cancer a year later when he could have been saved. Just a negative statistic against the NHS. Never mind we all watched the County get stuffed at home by Salford, what a great time we all had.whoareya wrote: January 22nd, 2022, 9:53 pmYour presumption is wrong, I absolutely include mental health in social wellbeing - but particularly more of the social wellbeing of the young and of those venturing out in married and family life.OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: January 22nd, 2022, 7:35 pm
On the contrary I think England has proceeded on the basis of how many restrictions their backbenchers and paymasters will tolerate before pulling the plug on the leadership.
Appreciate your point about the wellbeing of the majority. Notice you only mentioned the social and economic wellbeing though.
Presumably you simply forget to mention health, or are you suggesting that is of lesser importance?
Don't think we ignore the fact that the minority are not avoiding risk as you suggest. They have and continue to have a negative impact on the health of the majority.
As for the senedd being scared of getting it wrong, I see that as a compliment. So we can agree on that.
You see, this forum is not a typical benchmark of society, it leans heavily to the those who are approaching or are already at retirement stage, who live , by comparison to younger age groups, sedentary lives/lifestyles that quite easily adapt to the social and economic implications of lockdowns.
Think back to 20 months ago and almost everyone, quite rightly, towed the line, no vaccinations, more significant strains, no specific care plans, no understanding of a modern day pandemic.
But that was then, not now.
Everyone who is deemed vulnerable has had the chance to be vaccinated and now boosted, they cant be anymore protected than they are now.
The game has changed, Covid is with us, mildly, so we are looking at endemic disease now. You cant continue to restrict society when a disease becomes endemic because you'll be doing so forever.
But they still insist on everyone else restricting their lives so that they continue their own largely unhindered. But they don't go to nightclubs, don't need to get on a bus or a train every day to get to work, or mix with others when there. Mortgages paid up and pensions rolling in. They can go to Tesco at midnight if they want to avoid crowds. No child care to organise, no worries about the quality of their children's schooling, or of universities ripping money out of their children's fees whilst they conduct lectures remotely, off-campus.
At this stage of Covid all I see here is a minority of people who have already lived their lives insisting that others, who are just setting out on theirs, to refrain from doing so.
Or is it because they have tested positive for Covid and are therefore required to isolate, even if they minor or no symptoms?
They are two entirely different scenarios.
Notice the media leaks have started to appear re withdrawing the dictate for mandatory vaccinations for NHS workers - why do you think that is?
You raise a very good point re. Mandatory vaccines for NHS workers in England, but not for the devolved government's as far as I'm aware? Admit to being in 2 minds as to whether this is a good policy to pursue. Would like to hear the views of those with experience of working for the NHS. Obviously there were several reports of NHS workers spreading the virus to patients in the early stages of the pandemic in the UK. Isn't it the case that all NHS workers who have face to face contact with patients are mandated to have other vaccines such as Hepatitis?
I don't believe that current case rates are the main driver for restrictions, but the high numbers of hospitalisations, especially the very high percentage of unvaccinated in ICUs, that include NHS workers, combined with the current rising death rate, is the major reason for restrictions.
