I wonder if G Coughlin was in attendance last night to watch the game to see if there were any potential signings he could make ?
Wales won the game 1 - 0
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
2Do you think any of the Lloegr team would be good enough for Casnewydd?neilcork68 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 11:41 am I wonder if G Coughlin was in attendance last night to watch the game to see if there were any potential signings he could make ?
Wales won the game 1 - 0
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
3On your post name 'Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C1' I agree albeit am less militant we are 'Wales' - the 're brand' is crass and an attempt to jump on the fashionista bandwagon of Cool Cymru MKII - 70% of people in Wales cannot speak/read/understand Welsh and that is after 20 years of compulsory Welsh in schools - not a loaded statement just a fact - am fully behind the 30% who do and no doubt we do need to support minority languages but why rename stuff into Welsh when it suited everyone perfectly well for 100+ years? it smacks of bandwagonism rather than authenticity.neilcork68 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 11:41 am I wonder if G Coughlin was in attendance last night to watch the game to see if there were any potential signings he could make ?
Wales won the game 1 - 0
On the substance agreed we have/could do worse than scanning the WPL for players ditto the Irish and [lower] Scottish leagues.
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
4For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)
Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C
Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
5Without getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the āoldā name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we donāt need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - Itās just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)
Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C
Being Welsh means many things to many people and isnāt just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person itās a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.
...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
6Apparently Sion Bradley is signing in the summer
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
7Cymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pmWithout getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the āoldā name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we donāt need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - Itās just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)
Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C
Being Welsh means many things to many people and isnāt just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person itās a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.
...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
8wattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pmCymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pmWithout getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the āoldā name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we donāt need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - Itās just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)
Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C
Being Welsh means many things to many people and isnāt just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person itās a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.
...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!
I agree mate. Always frustrates me when people say ā70% of people donāt speak itā , conveniently omitting the fact that many generations of Welsh kids (myself included) were not taught Welsh.
Iām very happy that four of my children can speak Welsh. Itās very important that we do not let our language die.
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
9Surely it's the same argument as whether TĆ¼rkiye can use that name internationally or has to go by the English Turkey...?Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:54 pmwattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pmCymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pmWithout getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the āoldā name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we donāt need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - Itās just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)
Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C
Being Welsh means many things to many people and isnāt just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person itās a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.
...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!
I agree mate. Always frustrates me when people say ā70% of people donāt speak itā , conveniently omitting the fact that many generations of Welsh kids (myself included) were not taught Welsh.
Iām very happy that four of my children can speak Welsh. Itās very important that we do not let our language die.
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
10Slight tangent, but I found out the other day that Cornwall was known as West Wales.
Newport was at this time in North Wales...........
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In pre-Roman times, Cornwall was part of the kingdom of Dumnonia. Later, it was known to the Anglo-Saxons as West Wales, to distinguish it from North Wales, that is, modern-day Wales.[3] The name Cornwall is a combination of two elements. The second derives from the Anglo-Saxon word wealh, meaning "Celt", "Roman", "Briton", which also survives in the words Wales and Welsh.[4] The first element "Corn", indicating the shape of the peninsula, is descended from Celtic kernou, an Indo-European word related to English horn and Latin cornu.[5]
Newport was at this time in North Wales...........
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In pre-Roman times, Cornwall was part of the kingdom of Dumnonia. Later, it was known to the Anglo-Saxons as West Wales, to distinguish it from North Wales, that is, modern-day Wales.[3] The name Cornwall is a combination of two elements. The second derives from the Anglo-Saxon word wealh, meaning "Celt", "Roman", "Briton", which also survives in the words Wales and Welsh.[4] The first element "Corn", indicating the shape of the peninsula, is descended from Celtic kernou, an Indo-European word related to English horn and Latin cornu.[5]
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
11We get a lot nearer the top of alphabetical lists as Cymru. As Wales it takes ages to find us.
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
12So be thankful that the minority language you love and want to protect (rightfully in my view) is heavily subsidised by those of us who have little need for it and is supported by robust legislation-many other indigenous/minority languages have died out having no such protection.Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:54 pmwattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pmCymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pmWithout getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the āoldā name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we donāt need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - Itās just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)
Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C
Being Welsh means many things to many people and isnāt just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person itās a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.
...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!
I agree mate. Always frustrates me when people say ā70% of people donāt speak itā , conveniently omitting the fact that many generations of Welsh kids (myself included) were not taught Welsh.
Iām very happy that four of my children can speak Welsh. Itās very important that we do not let our language die.
*you are right to an extent to point out that only one or 2 generations of Welsh residents have had compulsory Welsh at school but with the expected level of inward migration, the sad but inexorable hollowing out of many Welsh speaking coastal/rural communities and the ever reaching tentacles of Anglo hegemony (worldwide) I can see the 30% figure getting smaller, I donāt wish for that but itās a worldwide trend albeit as above the Welsh language is propped up by great largesse and patronage so perhaps it is safer than most [minority languages]? time will tell.
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
13āEqualā only under law as most of donāt speak/read/understand it, Iām not arguing against the former but neither can anyone dispute the latter.wattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pmCymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pmWithout getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the āoldā name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we donāt need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - Itās just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)
Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C
Being Welsh means many things to many people and isnāt just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person itās a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.
...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!
Re: Wales C ( I refuse to call it Cymru) v England C
14CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 7:09 pmSo be thankful that the minority language you love and want to protect (rightfully in my view) is heavily subsidised by those of us who have little need for it and is supported by robust legislation-many other indigenous/minority languages have died out having no such protection.Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:54 pmwattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pmCymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pmWithout getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the āoldā name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we donāt need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - Itās just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)
Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C
Being Welsh means many things to many people and isnāt just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person itās a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.
...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!
I agree mate. Always frustrates me when people say ā70% of people donāt speak itā , conveniently omitting the fact that many generations of Welsh kids (myself included) were not taught Welsh.
Iām very happy that four of my children can speak Welsh. Itās very important that we do not let our language die.
*you are right to an extent to point out that only one or 2 generations of Welsh residents have had compulsory Welsh at school but with the expected level of inward migration, the sad but inexorable hollowing out of many Welsh speaking coastal/rural communities and the ever reaching tentacles of Anglo hegemony (worldwide) I can see the 30% figure getting smaller, I donāt wish for that but itās a worldwide trend albeit as above the Welsh language is propped up by great largesse and patronage so perhaps it is safer than most [minority languages]? time will tell.
No, not thankful, as it should be a āgimmeā that Welsh is āheavily subsidised by people who have little or no interest in itā .. There are many things my taxes go towards that I have zero interest in, but hey ho, thatās life.
The teaching of Welsh in Wales SHOULD be a given right, regardlessā¦.. that there are so many Welsh people that couldnāt give a shite about it , is, to me anyway, extremely disappointing.
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15I donāt think itās quite that blunt just that people in many parts of Wales simply have no use for Welsh (as well as that most new immigrants have neither English nor Welsh as their first language) while at the same time I donāt believe there is any serious opposition to the propping up of the Welsh language by taxpayer's those two things can be true at the same time it is for me anyway.Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 7:39 pmCathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 7:09 pmSo be thankful that the minority language you love and want to protect (rightfully in my view) is heavily subsidised by those of us who have little need for it and is supported by robust legislation-many other indigenous/minority languages have died out having no such protection.Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:54 pmwattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pmCymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pmWithout getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the āoldā name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we donāt need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - Itās just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)
Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C
Being Welsh means many things to many people and isnāt just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person itās a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.
...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!
I agree mate. Always frustrates me when people say ā70% of people donāt speak itā , conveniently omitting the fact that many generations of Welsh kids (myself included) were not taught Welsh.
Iām very happy that four of my children can speak Welsh. Itās very important that we do not let our language die.
*you are right to an extent to point out that only one or 2 generations of Welsh residents have had compulsory Welsh at school but with the expected level of inward migration, the sad but inexorable hollowing out of many Welsh speaking coastal/rural communities and the ever reaching tentacles of Anglo hegemony (worldwide) I can see the 30% figure getting smaller, I donāt wish for that but itās a worldwide trend albeit as above the Welsh language is propped up by great largesse and patronage so perhaps it is safer than most [minority languages]? time will tell.
No, not thankful, as it should be a āgimmeā that Welsh is āheavily subsidised by people who have little or no interest in itā .. There are many things my taxes go towards that I have zero interest in, but hey ho, thatās life.
The teaching of Welsh in Wales SHOULD be a given right, regardlessā¦.. that there are so many Welsh people that couldnāt give a shite about it , is, to me anyway, extremely disappointing.
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