lowandhard wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:14 pm Has Benno signed yet?

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:55 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:22 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:46 am

mad norm wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:33 am Viewing and reading a post ....there is a subtle difference

And there is a difference between reading and commenting. This forum is hell bent on attacking anyone who dares oppose the standard view. So people who are not going to vote, because they will be outnumbered, why would they bother to post and then get called allsorts?

The trust are running a consultation with itself. More than three quarters of the fans that go to RP (lots of trust members live away) are not in the trust. How will that consultation garner the opinion of those who don't see a need for the trust, and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just investor's into the club, as opposed to just the trust?

I expect anybody who invests into the club by buying an equal number of shares to the Trust will get equal representation. Is there anybody looking to do that?

How likely is that? HJ didn't buy the trust's shares did he? Will he invest further than his initial £500k if not pushed?

His £500k was to be used to build up the commercial side and reduce waste. The voting trust membership believe it was to pay back existing debt. If it was, when asked the question "is the trust's annual funding vital to your plans?" Why not say yes? But he didn't did he?

So the trust's money is not vital, so it follows that the trust is not vital...........

So unless someone can actually come up with a reason that makes it vital, the answer IMO is to dissolve the Trust, create a new body to hold the trust's shares, and make it free to join. Then the new body is simply a skill set, rather than cash oriented, and open to all, not restricted to a gentleman's club where you have to pay a premium simply to get in.......

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:36 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:55 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:22 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:46 am

mad norm wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:33 am Viewing and reading a post ....there is a subtle difference

And there is a difference between reading and commenting. This forum is hell bent on attacking anyone who dares oppose the standard view. So people who are not going to vote, because they will be outnumbered, why would they bother to post and then get called allsorts?

The trust are running a consultation with itself. More than three quarters of the fans that go to RP (lots of trust members live away) are not in the trust. How will that consultation garner the opinion of those who don't see a need for the trust, and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just investor's into the club, as opposed to just the trust?

I expect anybody who invests into the club by buying an equal number of shares to the Trust will get equal representation. Is there anybody looking to do that?

How likely is that? HJ didn't buy the trust's shares did he? Will he invest further than his initial £500k if not pushed?

His £500k was to be used to build up the commercial side and reduce waste. The voting trust membership believe it was to pay back existing debt. If it was, when asked the question "is the trust's annual funding vital to your plans?" Why not say yes? But he didn't did he?

So the trust's money is not vital, so it follows that the trust is not vital...........

So unless someone can actually come up with a reason that makes it vital, the answer IMO is to dissolve the Trust, create a new body to hold the trust's shares, and make it free to join. Then the new body is simply a skill set, rather than cash oriented, and open to all, not restricted to a gentleman's club where you have to pay a premium simply to get in.......

If as you say, "three quarters of the fans that go to RP are not in the trust ... and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just inverstor's [SIC] into the club..." surely their investment would need to be at least equal to that of the Trust to take over the representation that comes with the Trust's shareholding?

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:45 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:36 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:55 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:22 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:46 am

mad norm wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:33 am Viewing and reading a post ....there is a subtle difference

And there is a difference between reading and commenting. This forum is hell bent on attacking anyone who dares oppose the standard view. So people who are not going to vote, because they will be outnumbered, why would they bother to post and then get called allsorts?

The trust are running a consultation with itself. More than three quarters of the fans that go to RP (lots of trust members live away) are not in the trust. How will that consultation garner the opinion of those who don't see a need for the trust, and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just investor's into the club, as opposed to just the trust?

I expect anybody who invests into the club by buying an equal number of shares to the Trust will get equal representation. Is there anybody looking to do that?

How likely is that? HJ didn't buy the trust's shares did he? Will he invest further than his initial £500k if not pushed?

His £500k was to be used to build up the commercial side and reduce waste. The voting trust membership believe it was to pay back existing debt. If it was, when asked the question "is the trust's annual funding vital to your plans?" Why not say yes? But he didn't did he?

So the trust's money is not vital, so it follows that the trust is not vital...........

So unless someone can actually come up with a reason that makes it vital, the answer IMO is to dissolve the Trust, create a new body to hold the trust's shares, and make it free to join. Then the new body is simply a skill set, rather than cash oriented, and open to all, not restricted to a gentleman's club where you have to pay a premium simply to get in.......

If as you say, "three quarters of the fans that go to RP are not in the trust ... and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just inverstor's [SIC] into the club..." surely their investment would need to be at least equal to that of the Trust to take over the representation that comes with the Trust's shareholding?

Why? The trust are not allowing investment into the club, it wants to do the exact opposite of investing money to save as HJ wants........

So disband the trust, and it makes it easier for investors to join, without having a big shareholding (which they can't obtain anyway)......

Or let the trust buy new shares, and encourage HJ to keep investing.............

But the Trust won't vote for change, so it wants representation based solely on shareholding, not helping by investing in the club, and what HJ is trying to achieve.........

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 4:51 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:45 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:36 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:55 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:22 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:46 am

mad norm wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:33 am Viewing and reading a post ....there is a subtle difference

And there is a difference between reading and commenting. This forum is hell bent on attacking anyone who dares oppose the standard view. So people who are not going to vote, because they will be outnumbered, why would they bother to post and then get called allsorts?

The trust are running a consultation with itself. More than three quarters of the fans that go to RP (lots of trust members live away) are not in the trust. How will that consultation garner the opinion of those who don't see a need for the trust, and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just investor's into the club, as opposed to just the trust?

I expect anybody who invests into the club by buying an equal number of shares to the Trust will get equal representation. Is there anybody looking to do that?

How likely is that? HJ didn't buy the trust's shares did he? Will he invest further than his initial £500k if not pushed?

His £500k was to be used to build up the commercial side and reduce waste. The voting trust membership believe it was to pay back existing debt. If it was, when asked the question "is the trust's annual funding vital to your plans?" Why not say yes? But he didn't did he?

So the trust's money is not vital, so it follows that the trust is not vital...........

So unless someone can actually come up with a reason that makes it vital, the answer IMO is to dissolve the Trust, create a new body to hold the trust's shares, and make it free to join. Then the new body is simply a skill set, rather than cash oriented, and open to all, not restricted to a gentleman's club where you have to pay a premium simply to get in.......

If as you say, "three quarters of the fans that go to RP are not in the trust ... and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just inverstor's [SIC] into the club..." surely their investment would need to be at least equal to that of the Trust to take over the representation that comes with the Trust's shareholding?

Why? The trust are not allowing investment into the club, it wants to do the exact opposite of investing money to save as HJ wants........

So disband the trust, and it makes it easier for investors to join, without having a big shareholding (which they can't obtain anyway)......

Or let the trust buy new shares, and encourage HJ to keep investing.............

But the Trust won't vote for change, so it wants representation based solely on shareholding, not helping by investing in the club, and what HJ is trying to achieve.........

How are the trust not allowing investment into the club when they no longer have any influence in that respect?

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 5:26 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 4:51 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:45 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:36 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:55 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:22 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:46 am

mad norm wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:33 am Viewing and reading a post ....there is a subtle difference

And there is a difference between reading and commenting. This forum is hell bent on attacking anyone who dares oppose the standard view. So people who are not going to vote, because they will be outnumbered, why would they bother to post and then get called allsorts?

The trust are running a consultation with itself. More than three quarters of the fans that go to RP (lots of trust members live away) are not in the trust. How will that consultation garner the opinion of those who don't see a need for the trust, and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just investor's into the club, as opposed to just the trust?

I expect anybody who invests into the club by buying an equal number of shares to the Trust will get equal representation. Is there anybody looking to do that?

How likely is that? HJ didn't buy the trust's shares did he? Will he invest further than his initial £500k if not pushed?

His £500k was to be used to build up the commercial side and reduce waste. The voting trust membership believe it was to pay back existing debt. If it was, when asked the question "is the trust's annual funding vital to your plans?" Why not say yes? But he didn't did he?

So the trust's money is not vital, so it follows that the trust is not vital...........

So unless someone can actually come up with a reason that makes it vital, the answer IMO is to dissolve the Trust, create a new body to hold the trust's shares, and make it free to join. Then the new body is simply a skill set, rather than cash oriented, and open to all, not restricted to a gentleman's club where you have to pay a premium simply to get in.......

If as you say, "three quarters of the fans that go to RP are not in the trust ... and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just inverstor's [SIC] into the club..." surely their investment would need to be at least equal to that of the Trust to take over the representation that comes with the Trust's shareholding?

Why? The trust are not allowing investment into the club, it wants to do the exact opposite of investing money to save as HJ wants........

So disband the trust, and it makes it easier for investors to join, without having a big shareholding (which they can't obtain anyway)......

Or let the trust buy new shares, and encourage HJ to keep investing.............

But the Trust won't vote for change, so it wants representation based solely on shareholding, not helping by investing in the club, and what HJ is trying to achieve.........

How are the trust not allowing investment into the club when they no longer have any influence in that respect?

Because real investment is given to the club for the club to make best use of. The trust are happy to believe that they must invest in the community from now on, rather than the club.

The trust have no influence, it hasn't for years, and it won't in future, because its not interested in asking HJ what is required to be an important partner. Is it now?is it investment? Is it at some point in the future when the trust may have influence who takes over from HJ?

The problem is that change is required from a trust membership that is focused only on the past.

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 6:45 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 5:26 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 4:51 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:45 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:36 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:55 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:22 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:46 am

mad norm wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:33 am Viewing and reading a post ....there is a subtle difference

And there is a difference between reading and commenting. This forum is hell bent on attacking anyone who dares oppose the standard view. So people who are not going to vote, because they will be outnumbered, why would they bother to post and then get called allsorts?

The trust are running a consultation with itself. More than three quarters of the fans that go to RP (lots of trust members live away) are not in the trust. How will that consultation garner the opinion of those who don't see a need for the trust, and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just investor's into the club, as opposed to just the trust?

I expect anybody who invests into the club by buying an equal number of shares to the Trust will get equal representation. Is there anybody looking to do that?

How likely is that? HJ didn't buy the trust's shares did he? Will he invest further than his initial £500k if not pushed?

His £500k was to be used to build up the commercial side and reduce waste. The voting trust membership believe it was to pay back existing debt. If it was, when asked the question "is the trust's annual funding vital to your plans?" Why not say yes? But he didn't did he?

So the trust's money is not vital, so it follows that the trust is not vital...........

So unless someone can actually come up with a reason that makes it vital, the answer IMO is to dissolve the Trust, create a new body to hold the trust's shares, and make it free to join. Then the new body is simply a skill set, rather than cash oriented, and open to all, not restricted to a gentleman's club where you have to pay a premium simply to get in.......

If as you say, "three quarters of the fans that go to RP are not in the trust ... and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just inverstor's [SIC] into the club..." surely their investment would need to be at least equal to that of the Trust to take over the representation that comes with the Trust's shareholding?

Why? The trust are not allowing investment into the club, it wants to do the exact opposite of investing money to save as HJ wants........

So disband the trust, and it makes it easier for investors to join, without having a big shareholding (which they can't obtain anyway)......

Or let the trust buy new shares, and encourage HJ to keep investing.............

But the Trust won't vote for change, so it wants representation based solely on shareholding, not helping by investing in the club, and what HJ is trying to achieve.........

How are the trust not allowing investment into the club when they no longer have any influence in that respect?

Because real investment is given to the club for the club to make best use of. The trust are happy to believe that they must invest in the community from now on, rather than the club.

The trust have no influence, it hasn't for years, and it won't in future, because its not interested in asking HJ what is required to be an important partner. Is it now?is it investment? Is it at some point in the future when the trust may have influence who takes over from HJ?

The problem is that change is required from a trust membership that is focused only on the past.

But they aren't stopping anybody who wants to be a representative on the Board from investing and gaining a place on the Board by doing so.

If I wanted to sit on the Board of a Company I would expect to have some skin in the game. Why do you think we should encourage freeloaders onto the Board?

mad norm wrote: March 4th, 2024, 8:03 pm Bennett seen talking to somebody,somewhere on something or not ... I think it's a red herring before he signs

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 7:40 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 6:45 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 5:26 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 4:51 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:45 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:36 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:55 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:22 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:46 am

mad norm wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:33 am Viewing and reading a post ....there is a subtle difference

And there is a difference between reading and commenting. This forum is hell bent on attacking anyone who dares oppose the standard view. So people who are not going to vote, because they will be outnumbered, why would they bother to post and then get called allsorts?

The trust are running a consultation with itself. More than three quarters of the fans that go to RP (lots of trust members live away) are not in the trust. How will that consultation garner the opinion of those who don't see a need for the trust, and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just investor's into the club, as opposed to just the trust?

I expect anybody who invests into the club by buying an equal number of shares to the Trust will get equal representation. Is there anybody looking to do that?

How likely is that? HJ didn't buy the trust's shares did he? Will he invest further than his initial £500k if not pushed?

His £500k was to be used to build up the commercial side and reduce waste. The voting trust membership believe it was to pay back existing debt. If it was, when asked the question "is the trust's annual funding vital to your plans?" Why not say yes? But he didn't did he?

So the trust's money is not vital, so it follows that the trust is not vital...........

So unless someone can actually come up with a reason that makes it vital, the answer IMO is to dissolve the Trust, create a new body to hold the trust's shares, and make it free to join. Then the new body is simply a skill set, rather than cash oriented, and open to all, not restricted to a gentleman's club where you have to pay a premium simply to get in.......

If as you say, "three quarters of the fans that go to RP are not in the trust ... and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just inverstor's [SIC] into the club..." surely their investment would need to be at least equal to that of the Trust to take over the representation that comes with the Trust's shareholding?

Why? The trust are not allowing investment into the club, it wants to do the exact opposite of investing money to save as HJ wants........

So disband the trust, and it makes it easier for investors to join, without having a big shareholding (which they can't obtain anyway)......

Or let the trust buy new shares, and encourage HJ to keep investing.............

But the Trust won't vote for change, so it wants representation based solely on shareholding, not helping by investing in the club, and what HJ is trying to achieve.........

How are the trust not allowing investment into the club when they no longer have any influence in that respect?

Because real investment is given to the club for the club to make best use of. The trust are happy to believe that they must invest in the community from now on, rather than the club.

The trust have no influence, it hasn't for years, and it won't in future, because its not interested in asking HJ what is required to be an important partner. Is it now?is it investment? Is it at some point in the future when the trust may have influence who takes over from HJ?

The problem is that change is required from a trust membership that is focused only on the past.

But they aren't stopping anybody who wants to be a representative on the Board from investing and gaining a place on the Board by doing so.

If I wanted to sit on the Board of a Company I would expect to have some skin in the game. Why do you think we should encourage freeloaders onto the Board?

A new investor can't invest in the existing club shares because there aren't enough. So it would be in new shares.
So to make it simple, say there are £2million in existing shares, HJ has 52%, Trust and others 48%. So just over £1 million and just under.
New shares issued will be £1 million thus diluting both holding percentage by a third. If HJ allowed a big investment he won't have control unless he matches it.

Thus if the trust was a real investor, it could force HJ to match the trust's £100k a year investment, or if he didn't, he would lose overall control if the other shareholders passed their shares to the Trust.

That's how the Trust could have influence, without actually deciding how to spend the money, other than buy new shares.

As it stands the trust are the freeloaders on the HJ board, sitting on existing shares that were given to them, but not investing in the future, because they choose to.

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 8:38 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 7:40 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 6:45 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 5:26 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 4:51 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:45 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:36 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:55 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:22 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:46 am

And there is a difference between reading and commenting. This forum is hell bent on attacking anyone who dares oppose the standard view. So people who are not going to vote, because they will be outnumbered, why would they bother to post and then get called allsorts?

The trust are running a consultation with itself. More than three quarters of the fans that go to RP (lots of trust members live away) are not in the trust. How will that consultation garner the opinion of those who don't see a need for the trust, and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just investor's into the club, as opposed to just the trust?

I expect anybody who invests into the club by buying an equal number of shares to the Trust will get equal representation. Is there anybody looking to do that?

How likely is that? HJ didn't buy the trust's shares did he? Will he invest further than his initial £500k if not pushed?

His £500k was to be used to build up the commercial side and reduce waste. The voting trust membership believe it was to pay back existing debt. If it was, when asked the question "is the trust's annual funding vital to your plans?" Why not say yes? But he didn't did he?

So the trust's money is not vital, so it follows that the trust is not vital...........

So unless someone can actually come up with a reason that makes it vital, the answer IMO is to dissolve the Trust, create a new body to hold the trust's shares, and make it free to join. Then the new body is simply a skill set, rather than cash oriented, and open to all, not restricted to a gentleman's club where you have to pay a premium simply to get in.......

If as you say, "three quarters of the fans that go to RP are not in the trust ... and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just inverstor's [SIC] into the club..." surely their investment would need to be at least equal to that of the Trust to take over the representation that comes with the Trust's shareholding?

Why? The trust are not allowing investment into the club, it wants to do the exact opposite of investing money to save as HJ wants........

So disband the trust, and it makes it easier for investors to join, without having a big shareholding (which they can't obtain anyway)......

Or let the trust buy new shares, and encourage HJ to keep investing.............

But the Trust won't vote for change, so it wants representation based solely on shareholding, not helping by investing in the club, and what HJ is trying to achieve.........

How are the trust not allowing investment into the club when they no longer have any influence in that respect?

Because real investment is given to the club for the club to make best use of. The trust are happy to believe that they must invest in the community from now on, rather than the club.

The trust have no influence, it hasn't for years, and it won't in future, because its not interested in asking HJ what is required to be an important partner. Is it now?is it investment? Is it at some point in the future when the trust may have influence who takes over from HJ?

The problem is that change is required from a trust membership that is focused only on the past.

But they aren't stopping anybody who wants to be a representative on the Board from investing and gaining a place on the Board by doing so.

If I wanted to sit on the Board of a Company I would expect to have some skin in the game. Why do you think we should encourage freeloaders onto the Board?

A new investor can't invest in the existing club shares because there aren't enough. So it would be in new shares.
So to make it simple, say there are £2million in existing shares, HJ has 52%, Trust and others 48%. So just over £1 million and just under.
New shares issued will be £1 million thus diluting both holding percentage by a third. If HJ allowed a big investment he won't have control unless he matches it.

Thus if the trust was a real investor, it could force HJ to match the trust's £100k a year investment, or if he didn't, he would lose overall control if the other shareholders passed their shares to the Trust.

That's how the Trust could have influence, without actually deciding how to spend the money, other than buy new shares.

As it stands the trust are the freeloaders on the HJ board, sitting on existing shares that were given to them, but not investing in the future, because they choose to.

You may remember the Trust raising money through community shares during the takeover. When that money was invested in the club, the Trust received shares in return. Up until that point, previous money invested into the club was done so for shares in return. For some idiotic reason the BoD decided to not grant shares to the Trust in return for the Trust's investments after the take over.

In my view that was stupid and should be the first change the trust makes for all future investment.

The other shares the Trust owned were donated to them by Les Scadding and have now been passed on to HJ.

Hence the Trust has paid for most, if not all of the shares it currently owns.

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 8:38 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 7:40 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 6:45 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 5:26 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 4:51 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:45 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 3:36 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:55 pm

Amberexile wrote: March 4th, 2024, 12:22 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: March 4th, 2024, 11:46 am

And there is a difference between reading and commenting. This forum is hell bent on attacking anyone who dares oppose the standard view. So people who are not going to vote, because they will be outnumbered, why would they bother to post and then get called allsorts?

The trust are running a consultation with itself. More than three quarters of the fans that go to RP (lots of trust members live away) are not in the trust. How will that consultation garner the opinion of those who don't see a need for the trust, and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just investor's into the club, as opposed to just the trust?

I expect anybody who invests into the club by buying an equal number of shares to the Trust will get equal representation. Is there anybody looking to do that?

How likely is that? HJ didn't buy the trust's shares did he? Will he invest further than his initial £500k if not pushed?

His £500k was to be used to build up the commercial side and reduce waste. The voting trust membership believe it was to pay back existing debt. If it was, when asked the question "is the trust's annual funding vital to your plans?" Why not say yes? But he didn't did he?

So the trust's money is not vital, so it follows that the trust is not vital...........

So unless someone can actually come up with a reason that makes it vital, the answer IMO is to dissolve the Trust, create a new body to hold the trust's shares, and make it free to join. Then the new body is simply a skill set, rather than cash oriented, and open to all, not restricted to a gentleman's club where you have to pay a premium simply to get in.......

If as you say, "three quarters of the fans that go to RP are not in the trust ... and would therefore be happier for the two representatives to be just inverstor's [SIC] into the club..." surely their investment would need to be at least equal to that of the Trust to take over the representation that comes with the Trust's shareholding?

Why? The trust are not allowing investment into the club, it wants to do the exact opposite of investing money to save as HJ wants........

So disband the trust, and it makes it easier for investors to join, without having a big shareholding (which they can't obtain anyway)......

Or let the trust buy new shares, and encourage HJ to keep investing.............

But the Trust won't vote for change, so it wants representation based solely on shareholding, not helping by investing in the club, and what HJ is trying to achieve.........

How are the trust not allowing investment into the club when they no longer have any influence in that respect?

Because real investment is given to the club for the club to make best use of. The trust are happy to believe that they must invest in the community from now on, rather than the club.

The trust have no influence, it hasn't for years, and it won't in future, because its not interested in asking HJ what is required to be an important partner. Is it now?is it investment? Is it at some point in the future when the trust may have influence who takes over from HJ?

The problem is that change is required from a trust membership that is focused only on the past.

But they aren't stopping anybody who wants to be a representative on the Board from investing and gaining a place on the Board by doing so.

If I wanted to sit on the Board of a Company I would expect to have some skin in the game. Why do you think we should encourage freeloaders onto the Board?

A new investor can't invest in the existing club shares because there aren't enough. So it would be in new shares.
So to make it simple, say there are £2million in existing shares, HJ has 52%, Trust and others 48%. So just over £1 million and just under.
New shares issued will be £1 million thus diluting both holding percentage by a third. If HJ allowed a big investment he won't have control unless he matches it.

Thus if the trust was a real investor, it could force HJ to match the trust's £100k a year investment, or if he didn't, he would lose overall control if the other shareholders passed their shares to the Trust.

That's how the Trust could have influence, without actually deciding how to spend the money, other than buy new shares.

As it stands the trust are the freeloaders on the HJ board, sitting on existing shares that were given to them, but not investing in the future, because they choose to.

You may remember the Trust raising money through community shares during the takeover. When that money was invested in the club, the Trust received shares in return. Up until that point, previous money invested into the club was done so for shares in return. For some idiotic reason the BoD decided to not grant shares to the Trust in return for the Trust's investments after the take over.

In my view that was stupid and should be the first change the trust makes for all future investment.